Ears and Tail - how to help

FiJu wrote:it´s a very interesting topic....
so can know everyone who he can´t used the studdog or buy a puppy from this kennel
what will be the next topic...wich colour do you used for the coat.....

i don´t know..i think a breeder can select puppies for breed and show.. or as pet...

sorry but thats not good for our breed...my opinion

Do you know that this work ( tapeing tail) do one of the famous CZ kennel ...breeder who have 7,8 litters in one years ... and many breeders buy puppies from them ... but no one says ... I am the first to publicly write about tapeing tail ...


look at link ... this is not my puppies ... this kennel is not kennel from CZ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31z17Tu3MLA&feature=fvw


I breed only 4 litters, I and I am not able to know how do some "tape" if someone did'n show me.
So I did not invent that.

I write again ... everything is a matter of choice... whether you will tape a tail or ears.

About this tape is Beatrice talking about...

On this picture you can see how it works (it's not my dog)

Here this tape is called "masking tape". It is often used when painting around windows, door frames, etc.

I couldn't agree more with Alberto.

Wouldn't it make more sense to breed better dogs with correct tail set and shape instead of taping the poor puppies' little tails?

I really prefer correct tails even though I have to compromise at times when choosing which dogs to use in breeding. But I would never try to fool others, let alone myself to think that the tail is what it's not. As the tail is inseparable from the spine/skeleton of the dog, the tail set can tell you a lot about the anatomy of the dog's rear. Taping the tail is not just cosmetic, so it's very different from grooming the hair and making the dog seem to be something it's not when you are only looking, not touching it.

Even if the taping did work, what good is it to fool a judge in shows when you can't fool genetics in breeding. I'd go through the trouble of working on the tails in my breeding program rather than taping all the puppies from here to eternity.

Oh, which brings me to a question to anyone who is docking or has docked the tails. Since you are/were allowed to dock the tails, do/did breeders keep and use in breeding dogs that have had kinked tails as puppies? Furthermore, I would suppose most dock(ed) the puppies very early on so they might/would not even know that there is something fishy about the tail?

Xtravaschnauza wrote:Since you are/were allowed to dock the tails, do/did breeders keep and use in breeding dogs that have had kinked tails as puppies? Furthermore, I would suppose most dock(ed) the puppies very early on so they might/would not even know that there is something fishy about the tail?

The answer is YES (for most of us, I would imagine). I have on occasion (not recently, but years ago) had tails that were "naturally" shorter than normal. Certainly not short enough to not dock, but decidedly shorter by maybe half or so. Some of those tails were kinked.

Tail set can be observed as the newborn is nursing on its belly, but (final) tail carriage is not visible before tails are docked as all tails look fairly straight in newborns. (Maybe those who tape should be doing it sooner?) At what age do those tails start to change?

It was an interesting experience to have sent two dogs to Italy (if only briefly in the case of Finn). Almost all of my dogs are related to each other, but I noticed that New's puppies all seemed to have straighter tails, but Finn's offspring seemed to have tails which curved over the backs like handles (which I dislike). If we are ever forced here to no longer dock, I dread to see what we might actually have on our dogs!

At least I am comfortable, for the most part, with my ears (some are a bit larger than I like). A few other breeders here probably won't be as happy when we can no longer crop (and I do see that day coming).

In response to Xtravaschnauza, tail set and tail carriage are two different things. Taping the length of a tail will not correct tail set. My Finn had a perfect topline and tail set... yet his Italian offspring had curved tails... so I can only assume that he would have, also. I can look at photos of those kids and see where they would have been docked, and they would have looked perfectly GREAT here.

beatrice wrote:
Many breeders do that ... look at the link

http://www.fildale.net/articles.php?article_id=18

Here is with explanations:
http://zarinas.narod.ru/Sticks_ears.html

... why not try whit the tail ?

How you imagine this?
I've heard,some ties,that before people try to do something like this with afgan's tails (they should have a ring on the end of tail)and fixed this,but it ended not so good ussually - it the best way tail just - fall off...and after this already wasn't possible to do something;) afgans was after this without any tail:)

but now,some owners,as i know,do cosmetic operation of tail which as pigs tail.And after this,tail much straighter

Horoscope wrote:
About this tape is Beatrice talking about...

On this picture you can see how it works (it's not my dog)

And i'm wondering,is it worked?