Undocked tail in USA

“A dog shown in conformation with a natural tail should be penalized because an undocked tail is a deviation from the Standard.”

http://schnauzerweb.com/undocked.html

Are they really saying that dogs with natural/undocked tails are not qualified for shows?

Wow.. that's just plain stupid.
This goes only for AKC right?

In Canada they have banned docking in some areas, so it might be the very start of changing things like this over there. Don't forget they still crop ears over there and natural eared dogs are much more difficult to title.

Jo wrote:In Canada they have banned docking in some areas, so it might be the very start of changing things like this over there. Don't forget they still crop ears over there and natural eared dogs are much more difficult to title.

Yes I understand that, but to say that natural ears are not in standard and it shut be penalized in shows I think strange.

Esther wrote:

Jo wrote:In Canada they have banned docking in some areas, so it might be the very start of changing things like this over there. Don't forget they still crop ears over there and natural eared dogs are much more difficult to title.

Yes I understand that, but to say that natural ears are not in standard and it shut be penalized in shows I think strange.

It is strange indeed

Since many years, I say that FCI should do two different standards and breeds : the European Schnauzer who follows the original standard from Germany and the American Schnauzer who follows the American strange rules....
FCI done the same with Akita, why not for the Schnauzers????
Maybe FCI is worry to loose many money from the South American Kennels Club? ( Argentina, Venezuela, Brasil etc...).

I could certainly see the argument for the black giants.

I'm agree also for the minies.....we don't must forget that they are in the terrier group!
It's very difficult for us show our minies there....there is not a balanced contest, they are really different.
I don't talk over if they are better than ours...just we don't breed the same dogs.

I would like to see the minis groomed in the same way, it would be interesting to see just how different the structure is underneath the hairstyle and grooming products.

Yeahh, thats sounds very strange And whats the point???? Actually I'm the one who likes their dogs format, they are very compact, with good temperament what unfortunately don't have dogs from Europe I think that we have to take this from their dogs, but they have to take our grooming ang type of coat! Today in Europe breeders trying to find the better way how to put together harsh coat on body with many hair in legs, as it is in americam dogs. But what do americans? Nothing! They think that that miniature what they have breed is better than this type which we have! And thats not right! I don't think that another breed standart for our and their dogs would be good, because we have very many minies which are between both variations

Speaking as someone from the US, I would love to see more uncropped ears in the show ring. Unfortunately, since we have not historically bred for good ear sets, it can be difficult to locate a mini with good natural ears over here As for tails, I confess it is strange to see one with a tail since I have always seen them docked, but I'm not opposed to showing with tails as well.

Susan Retzer
Illinois, USA
Jardin Miniature Schnauzers

Alessandra wrote:Since many years, I say that FCI should do two different standards and breeds : the European Schnauzer who follows the original standard from Germany and the American Schnauzer who follows the American strange rules....
FCI done the same with Akita, why not for the Schnauzers????
Maybe FCI is worry to loose many money from the South American Kennels Club? ( Argentina, Venezuela, Brasil etc...).

I think it could be a very good idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES It´s good idea, but I´ve one question. Who is in the american type??? I think that we have only 2 types. German ( the old one ) and the American ( European ) type. With the time I think that European and American types are the same ones.

tonda wrote:YES It´s good idea, but I´ve one question. Who is in the american type??? I think that we have only 2 types. German ( the old one ) and the American ( European ) type. With the time I think that European and American types are the same ones.

I agree with you! And I have the same question

I can see big diffrence in American lines versus Europen lines. The coat differ the body structure and the compact squere is different, totally diffrent but it is more obvious for the black ones then the p/s ones.

I think is mainly because in U.S.A they usally change the standard for the breeds (not only Schnauzer all sizes, just all breeds ) and make their one version. But if you look closely to American working Riesenschnauzer assiastion you can see their effort for changing things to the better.

The old type should be the right type since it is the German standards that sets the standards for the breed. But I am a great fan for the German lines even though that many breeders think it old fashioned, but still the same the are the right ones set by the pioneers for the breed and have not changed in the homecountry for the breed.