SPANISH BREEDERS SUPPORTER ARE WELCOME!

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Post  MADDAKORAPEPE on Sat May 29, 2010 12:07 am

Dear breeders, I would like to share my dissapointing about kennel Wonderfulcan from Spain. I have a dog born 8.1.2009 and didn't receive pedigree on this dog yet. I hope you, spanish breeders, have some power to help me in this matter to keep name of spanish breeders clean for the future.
I know there are serious breeders and not serious breeders and I hope we together can achieve that I'll get my pedigree from this not very serious kennel.
Thank you for your help
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Post  marlangoschnauzer on Mon May 31, 2010 11:12 am

Hello "Maddakorapepe",
From 8.1.2009 it´s too much time to don´t receive pedigree.
I know that breeder but i don´t have any connection with her.
Have you tried to contact with Iris from Wonderfulcan?
Can you tell us what did you say?
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Post  MADDAKORAPEPE on Mon May 31, 2010 11:40 am

oooh i thought that all spanish breeder wellknow this matter :-(
iris has gained 950 euros on selling i'm movin on de wonderfulcan
and unyo de catalunya told me: "on 11th november 2009 mrs arboler has registered the litter of your female"
that's the only news that i have
and this.. only thanking the effort of schnauzer kennel club of spain whose persons are the only one that helped me!
On Spain i have to thank Laura, Ana and Alejandra, Olga... but...
instead of their effort... you have a breeder inside that is "similar" to a serious breeder.. "similar" to a serious handler.. but... that is only a dogseller..
anyway... she is registered to RSCE and Unyo de Catalunya...
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Post  marlangoschnauzer on Mon May 31, 2010 12:22 pm

I didn´t know this problem until i saw the deleted post (that the tittle i didn´t consider fair), and right now i red this post.

The spain schnauzer forum most visited for bredders is " www.mundoschnauzer.com ", i think it´s a good place to make publicity of that kind of problems and look for help from spanish breeders.

Well, i have called by telephone to Iris and she told me:

That the litter is registered, but she didn´t give you the papers because you have a male of her property at your home.

And she says that you don´t want to give her back the dog, she says too that you used the dog with different bitches and you didn´t pay anything.

I don´t know if it´s true or not.

What can you say us about that dog, have you tell us all or just a part?

The telephone conversation is recorded to avoid legal problems.
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Post  MADDAKORAPEPE on Mon May 31, 2010 12:38 pm

THAT'S GOOD THAT YOU HAVE RECORDED THAT PHONE CALL :-)
So iris when sold me the female gave me also a dog, saying that's hers ownership, to show on italy.. and i show him and feed him and groom him on my charge.. sure.. i show him in name of iris..
when i asked her the pedigree of this male... WONDERFUL!!!! that male isn't hers!!! the owner on the pedigree was another.. and this is wellknown by maite.. ana.. alejandra.. if you know this name you can ask more informations about...
so... i told iris... i don't pay any charge more.. if you think that this dog is yours... come on italy and keep him back!
this dog is since 1 year at my home.. feeded, groomed and any paper of MY DOG (the female) why could i think positive that iris give me the papers of the female when i give back the dog?
remember.. that she has registered the litter of the female on november... and the dog has born on january! on italy we have only 2 months for registering..
that's all.. iris could come with paper on italy to keep back the dog and give me papers..
otherwise... i cannot see any other agreement!
the 2 dogs are at my home and stay very well.. NOW they are able to play with all the dogs instead of fighting.. it needs 1 year and more for this!!!
Best regards mr. rafael.. i thank you for your words.. i'm sure that spanish breeders aren't similar to this person.
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Post  marlangoschnauzer on Mon May 31, 2010 1:17 pm

What a trouble...

I think that now i can´t do anything else.

I hope that You and Iris resolve your problem with a happy ending (at least for dogs).

I would do the same: in one hand dog, and in another papers...very sad Sad
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Post  Jo on Mon May 31, 2010 2:07 pm

Can I just ask something?

You used this dog at stud? The name on the pedigree you have is not that of the lady who gave you the dog to show?

Who signed the stud form so you could register the litters? If Iris doesn't own the dog, she could not give you permission to use that dog at stud and therefore surely your litters should not have been registered??

Or did you contact the name on the pedigree papers and ask them to sign the papers so you could register the litters?


Please explain this part, as I don't understand it.
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Post  MADDAKORAPEPE on Mon May 31, 2010 3:01 pm

this is the agreement that we had on skype:

[04/03/2009 19.56.10] iris arboler llaveria: ma cuesto cane si le a de fare colore
[04/03/2009 19.56.29] maddalena: ok... quindi... no raduni
[04/03/2009 19.56.40] iris arboler llaveria: no
[04/03/2009 19.56.41] maddalena: no mostre speciali
[04/03/2009 19.56.52] maddalena: peccato volevo portarlo a sanremo
[04/03/2009 19.57.05] maddalena: il 19 aprile
[04/03/2009 19.57.17] maddalena: a far morire d'invidia tutti!
[04/03/2009 19.57.19] iris arboler llaveria: ma a sant remmo pq no li poi portare??
[04/03/2009 19.57.19] maddalena: ahahahha
[04/03/2009 19.57.38] maddalena: vero! lo posso portare! è mostra speciale!
[04/03/2009 19.57.47] iris arboler llaveria: aaaaaaaaaaaaa
[04/03/2009 19.57.48] maddalena: non c'è prova colore!!! ajhahhahaha

and this is the pedigree of the dog...
as you could see.. iris wasn't the owner of the dog that stay in my home
[04/03/2009 19.57.53] iris arboler llaveria: jajajajjajaja
[04/03/2009 19.58.02] iris arboler llaveria: ti debo fare vedere come si fa
[04/03/2009 19.58.08] maddalena: wow! farà un figurone!
[04/03/2009 19.58.17] maddalena: ogni quanto glielo devi fare?
[04/03/2009 19.58.23] maddalena: il colore
[04/03/2009 19.58.39] iris arboler llaveria: un giorno o 2 prima de la expo
[04/03/2009 19.58.59] maddalena: anche ogni settimana?
[04/03/2009 19.59.16] iris arboler llaveria: no capisco
[04/03/2009 20.00.24] maddalena: se lo espongo il 19 aprile e il 1° maggio...
[04/03/2009 20.00.34] maddalena: devo fargli 2 tinte?
[04/03/2009 20.00.52] iris arboler llaveria: no
[04/03/2009 20.01.02] maddalena: lo tingo il 17 e il 29?
[04/03/2009 20.01.05] iris arboler llaveria: dependra del cane
[04/03/2009 20.01.13] maddalena: ok
[04/03/2009 20.01.22] iris arboler llaveria: sei posibile que no ma si debe vedere
[04/03/2009 20.01.42] maddalena: se vedo che appare il rosso lo tingo
[04/03/2009 20.01.46] maddalena: sennò no
[04/03/2009 20.01.50] maddalena: giusto?
[04/03/2009 20.02.10] iris arboler llaveria: giusto
[04/03/2009 20.02.24] maddalena: ascolta.. ma.. come dobbiamo fare?
[04/03/2009 20.02.33] iris arboler llaveria: el que??
[04/03/2009 20.02.42] maddalena: perchè in italia il cane può essere presentato da un handler
[04/03/2009 20.02.55] maddalena: ma l'iscrizione deve essere fatta dal proprietario
[04/03/2009 20.03.08] maddalena: sennò non l'accettano
[04/03/2009 20.03.56] iris arboler llaveria: ma la poi fare cualcuno con el datti del propietari
[04/03/2009 20.04.08] maddalena: sì ma solo online
[04/03/2009 20.04.21] maddalena: perchè sennò come firma?
[04/03/2009 20.04.36] iris arboler llaveria: li fai tu per me
[04/03/2009 20.04.41] iris arboler llaveria: jajajjajajjaja
[04/03/2009 20.04.44] maddalena: ahahahhah
[04/03/2009 20.04.57] maddalena: ok ho capito...
[04/03/2009 20.05.11] maddalena: cosa facciamo un contratto scritto?
[04/03/2009 20.05.26] maddalena: come regolamentiamo l'affido
[04/03/2009 20.06.48] iris arboler llaveria: y o sono pensado que si tu voy fare cubriccione con el cani con la tua femina sera free
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Post  MADDAKORAPEPE on Mon May 31, 2010 3:01 pm

and more...
as you can see... iris arboler llaveria paints her dogs!!!
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Post  MADDAKORAPEPE on Mon May 31, 2010 4:06 pm

Rafael thanks a lot.. :-) and be sure.. the dogs are in good hand.. they are feeded.. they can play with a lot of other dogs.. they have place to stay running and playing :-)
i think that these 2 dogs didn't know to have no paper.. and.. are happy similar to the one that have papers :-)
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Post  marlangoschnauzer on Mon May 31, 2010 6:44 pm

I´m sure that dogs don´t mind papers, tittles...to be happy. Fortunately they are more simple than us.
I hope you solve the problem.
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Post  Jo on Mon May 31, 2010 10:08 pm

MADDAKORAPEPE wrote:and more...
as you can see... iris arboler llaveria paints her dogs!!!

sorry, i don't understand Italian.

No one has answered my previous question though - how can the litters sired by the dog 'on loan for showing' have been registered? Especially when the OP says the papers for the dog are not in the name of the person she has the dog from.

Was there a contract in place to agree the terms of the use of this dog? Who could sign his stud papers, what would happen to the stud fee etc.

It seems to me there is more happening here then has been made public and we are only hearing one side of the story.


The OP wants the papers for her puppy and has said the breeder can drive over there to collect her dog and deliver the papers, seems to me the OP could just as easily make the journey to return the dog and collect the papers and put an end to all this??
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Post  WONDERFULCAN on Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:23 am

The reason why I'm writing this letter is a female bred by my self that I sold to Mrs. Maddalena Noseda.
It's a long time that i have the pedigree of this female at home and this lady doesn't have it because she has a dog of mine, Deep Purple de Wonderfulcan, wh ich I've lent her for shows, but she doesn't wish to give me this dog back anymore.
She used the dog, both for covering her bitches and also for other females, but never she payed me the covers even we if we had an agreement and moreover, I have never received from her any document to sign. Therefore I don't know how those puppies have been registred.
I have any problem to give to Mrs.Noseda her bitch's pedigree, but first of all she must give me my male back since she has refused to do it, the pedigree is the only way to get my dog back.
I hope you understand and realize the reason why this lady can't get her pedigree.
I have proofs ( e-mails etc...) and nothing to hide, from my point of view she behaved very uncorrectly.
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