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Post  Esther on Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:22 pm

Anyone here that has some experience on using or taking frozen semen? Good or bad experience.

We can import semen to Iceland, but only frosen semen.

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Post  Jo on Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:48 pm

Not something I've done but talking to other breeders I've heard the sucess greatly depends on the skill of the implanter and getting the timing right.
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Post  Esther on Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:19 pm

Yes I can believe that.

In Iceland there are only 2 vets that have specialized in implanting frozen semen and I have heard both success and failure stories. I have in the past asked some breeders (especially in giants) about this possibility and still haven’t found anyone that is willing to try with my and that’s sad because in closed country like Iceland, this is something to really try.

I’m going on seminar tonight at the HRFI (Icelandic Kennel club) with Alain Fontbonne (French Vet) that specialty is artificial insemination, hope to learn something new.

Now UK was for long time closed country like Iceland, was semen import allowed?

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Post  Jo on Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:29 pm

Yes, it is allowed but we need special permission from the kennel club to do artificial insemination.
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Post  Dulfke on Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:19 pm

We have tried this long time ago, unfortunately without succes. I enclosed a link from a Dutch vet who has quite some experience in this field. May be it can be of any help.
http://www.cryolabeersel.nl/index.php?lang=en
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Post  Alberto on Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:58 am

Hello, my vet is a AI specialist and uses the Clone technique; it is a special technique of semen management & implant that uses a norwegian catheter for a transcervical implant, who seems to give much more chances of success both with chilled and frozen semen.

You can read more here: http://www.cloneusa.com and by clicking on "Offices" you can have the contact info of all authorized vets across the world.

Personally I never used AI on my own dogs, but it seems that many breeders here in Italy are working with Clone AI with lots of success both for having litters and for exporting semen.

Hope this helps.
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Post  des matins de cristal on Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:06 pm

In 2007 i did'nt went to the male for differents raisons, i ask to send frozed semence, all was ok ! without a movment of strike by the transporters ! froze semence arrived 24 hours after ! the cover was ok but my female had felt her progesteron and no pup ...
(sorry for my bad english ..)
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Post  Olga on Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:42 pm

One of this clinic CLON is in Spain, very near from us. I think there is only one in our country. We didn´t try it, but we know the vet and we see him ok, with experience in such things. The truth is that I would like to know more experiences of breeders, because it´s rather expensive and as I know without any guaranty. I believe that the success would depend on a good job of both vets (one with male and the other one with female).
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Post  Heathkeepers on Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:21 pm

I bred bullmastiffs earlier. My second (and last) litter with bullmastiffs was done with frozen semen from US.
It was very good choice and I had a litter of 9. Actually litter of 11, but 2 puppies didn't make it trough the delivery. My bitch was inseminated in Tampere, Finland by Dr Palolahti. Insemination was made in 18th day of heat, few days later than normal mating would have been proper to do.
Litter was very succesful and afterwords I think it was worth all that money and effort. Smile
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Post  Zarina's Design on Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:01 pm

This is very intresting method,especcially if you want use someones who died a lot of years ago,but needs for breeding now.
Who know where possible to find informtion about which frozen semen avalable now?
I'm intresting especial Giant schnauzers.
Maybe web sites of Frozen semen's bank?
How to find this info?
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Post  D'el casa di Vita on Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:03 pm

Here in the netherlands http://www.cryolab.nl/en.html
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Post  Leah~N~Vader on Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:29 pm

Zarina's Design wrote:This is very intresting method,especcially if you want use someones who died a lot of years ago,but needs for breeding now.
Who know where possible to find informtion about which frozen semen avalable now?
I'm intresting especial Giant schnauzers.
Maybe web sites of Frozen semen's bank?
How to find this info?

I am thinking you'd have to just ask individual breeders. Some collect on their boys and store in cryo tanks here in North American.. ( canada and USA) and some do not collect.... if you are looking for aparticular stud from past, best to ask the breeder ofthat stud or kennel owner... this may help... I know for me, I collect and store and can ship anywhere internationally, I have heard you cannot in Russia though so this is also something to look in to??? It is becoming a very popular choice within breeders, and making it more accessible to make choices giving breeders much more options.. I really think this is an awesome technological option...

Leah Takats
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Post  Zarina's Design on Wed May 20, 2009 3:58 pm

Leah~N~Vader wrote:
I am thinking you'd have to just ask individual breeders. Some collect on their boys and store in cryo tanks here in North American.. ( canada and USA) and some do not collect.... if you are looking for aparticular stud from past, best to ask the breeder ofthat stud or kennel owner... this may help... I know for me, I collect and store and can ship anywhere internationally, I have heard you cannot in Russia though so this is also something to look in to??? It is becoming a very popular choice within breeders, and making it more accessible to make choices giving breeders much more options.. I really think this is an awesome technological option...

Leah Takats
Canada
Yes,Leah,i know about it.In Russia it not possible to do ,but possible to go to Finland,Germany and etc.for do it.
But to ask each breeder it difficult,would be perfect if exist web site about all avalable semen from all dogs with all information...
I thought,maybe it exist...??
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frozen semen experience

Post  Ardennes Black MS on Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:00 pm

Hello - I am in America and I have much experience with frozen semen import, breeding and puppies. We have 2 and 3 generation dogs all from frozen implants. We do this with our Bouvier des Flandres because the best are in Europe. We have imported semen from Norway and France. You are all correct - [/b]TIMING IS EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!

Our bitches are tested for progesterone from blood samples. This helps tell the vet when the bitch ovulates. This is the hard part - because after the bitch ovulates the vet waits 24 -48 hours to let the eggs travel to the uterus. Then the semen is thawed, checked for vitals and implanted directly into bitches uterus.

The big problem is the semen only lives a few hours. They used to think it was a few days but NO. New studies show the semen dies much faster than they once thought. This makes the timing for implanting of semen very important. It takes many blood tests for progesterone $$$$

But the puppies are worth it becuase you get superior pedigrees and in some cases you can access lines long gone --- IF SEMEN IS COLLECTED AND FROZEN FROM THE BEST. We have Bouviers with grandparents who were alive in the 1970s becuase we used frozen semen from dogs dead long times. This is wonderful when you are a student of pedigrees and want the best for your program. Registering the litter is allowed -- just more paperwork.



We have had litters with 9, 5, 2, 1 and some ZERO. Bouviers have smaller litters anyway so the numbers with SCHNZ might be different. This is why I say TIMING is EVERYTHING. The Europeans are the vets who are progessive and doing the best work. My vet in America studies in Sweden or Denmark for new technique.

I encourage you to consider collecting your males now so we may all benefit in the future with quality and healthy lines. Also, you can collect bitches eggs - they are working on using surrogate dogs to carry fertilized eggs.

We will use frozen semen again. The results are worth it. It is not hard to import the semen from Europe to America. I do not know what it is like to send semen to Europe from America.

I hope this is interesting information to you. I would like to know what you think.

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Post  Zarina's Design on Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:27 pm

Ardennes Black MS wrote:Hello - I am in America and I have much experience with frozen semen import, breeding and puppies. We have 2 and 3 generation dogs all from frozen implants. We do this with our Bouvier des Flandres because the best are in Europe. We have imported semen from Norway and France. You are all correct - [/b]TIMING IS EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!

Our bitches are tested for progesterone from blood samples. This helps tell the vet when the bitch ovulates. This is the hard part - because after the bitch ovulates the vet waits 24 -48 hours to let the eggs travel to the uterus. Then the semen is thawed, checked for vitals and implanted directly into bitches uterus.

The big problem is the semen only lives a few hours. They used to think it was a few days but NO. New studies show the semen dies much faster than they once thought. This makes the timing for implanting of semen very important. It takes many blood tests for progesterone $$$$

But the puppies are worth it becuase you get superior pedigrees and in some cases you can access lines long gone --- IF SEMEN IS COLLECTED AND FROZEN FROM THE BEST. We have Bouviers with grandparents who were alive in the 1970s becuase we used frozen semen from dogs dead long times. This is wonderful when you are a student of pedigrees and want the best for your program. Registering the litter is allowed -- just more paperwork.



We have had litters with 9, 5, 2, 1 and some ZERO. Bouviers have smaller litters anyway so the numbers with SCHNZ might be different. This is why I say TIMING is EVERYTHING. The Europeans are the vets who are progessive and doing the best work. My vet in America studies in Sweden or Denmark for new technique.

I encourage you to consider collecting your males now so we may all benefit in the future with quality and healthy lines. Also, you can collect bitches eggs - they are working on using surrogate dogs to carry fertilized eggs.

We will use frozen semen again. The results are worth it. It is not hard to import the semen from Europe to America. I do not know what it is like to send semen to Europe from America.

I hope this is interesting information to you. I would like to know what you think.
Thank youformation to you. I would like to know what you think.[/quote]
Thank you for info!!!
it's very interesting information!!!
But how possible to find info where is possible to find in Europe frozen semen from dogs which died a lot of years ago?such info not wrote on all corners...
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locating semen

Post  Ardennes Black MS on Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:21 pm

the way we find semen is to study pedigrees and find the kennel owner or owner of the stud dog. when the dogs are not alive you still need to locate the breeder or owner to ask if semen was collected before the dog died. we contact the kennel or stud dog owner and see if semen has been collected. stud dog owners and kennels do not always advertise frozen semen so you have to find out by telephone or email. Maybe some of the kennel clubs have contacts???? we have been lucky to meet long time european breeders who collected semen and would sell it to us. it is a long process but if you find what you want it is wonderful for the breed and your dogs. most long time breeders are very kind and want to help -

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