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Post  Jo on Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:56 am

I'm just wondering what health tests breeders do in the different countries on their adults before breeding. Do you also do any health tests on the puppies before they leave for new homes?
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Post  ravenstot on Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:59 am

Finnish Kennel Club do not require any test results for litter registration. Breed club on the other side require eye tests that litter would pass on its page. Also breed club demands breeders guarantee that all toes of the parents are normal. Sometimes one toe is not developed, puppy is born with normal toes, but in about 4-5 months it "dries up". It was noticed that there is this problem in miniatures. First they thought that only in blacks, but now it was found in all colors.
No any other test are required, but some breeders check hips and elbows also, very few still.
Puppies usually checked by vet in general before leaving breeder, but no health tests are usually done.
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Post  Randi's Ushabti on Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:33 pm

In Belgium no tests are required on Schnauzers. Not from the kennel club (KMSH) and not from the different breed clubs (we have 3 Schnauzerclubs). But starting of januari 1st DNA-profiling will be required. Maybe a beginning of more?
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Post  Jo on Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:46 pm

In the UK no tests are required to register the pups BUT if you want to go on a breeders list run by the breed clubs, parents have to be eye tested within 12 months of the litter being born and the puppies must be eye tested before they go to new homes. These tests being done by a BVA/KC eye specialist vet. The adult results are then printed on the puppies registration papers (if they are sent into the KC by the vet in time).

Results for adult eye tests are also printed in our Breed Records Supplement, from the Kennel Club along with details of each litter registered over the previous few months.
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Post  tonda on Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:55 am

Hi there, first time we must have eye tests for both parents. If father is from abroad he need it too. Both parents must be studs and older than 15 months and last time we must have permit from Czech Schnauzer Club ( we have "director" of the colour and variet and this one is breeder of this colour and variet too ) and she is the person who has major word about our combination. If she think that this isn´t good combination it´s problem for us and we must looking for next dog... This is crazy system and very democratic Evil or Very Mad And I think that this is interference of interest. It´s normal that director and breeder in one person want to be the best breeder... So welcome to the Czech rep :lol:
But we must have only eye test...
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Post  ravenstot on Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:40 am

tonda wrote: If she think that this isn´t good combination it´s problem for us and we must looking for next dog...

Do you meant that EVERY combination has to be approved by your "director"? Question quite fun Neutral
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Post  tonda on Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:47 am

YES!!! ALL COMBINATIONS!!!!!!!! We can use dog only with her permit... But if we´d like use some stud dog from the Czech rep. we can have only permit from our "regional director". It´s more better :lol:
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Post  Arno on Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:21 pm

Jo wrote:I'm just wondering what health tests breeders do in the different countries on their adults before breeding. Do you also do any health tests on the puppies before they leave for new homes?

The PSK order in Germany says for Miniature schnauzer, that the breed-manager of the club in the first and after vaccination in the eighth week, the puppies were examined. He notices all mistakes in the breeding book and the PSC published.
Before the vaccination of puppies, the veterinarian makes thoroughly investigation.
Other tests are currently not mandatory, but can be made voluntarily.
Thats only for our minis. You have to do more tests before breeding with giants and schnauzers.
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Post  MsBritmor on Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:42 pm

ravenstot wrote: Also breed club demands breeders guarantee that all toes of the parents are normal. Sometimes one toe is not developed, puppy is born with normal toes, but in about 4-5 months it "dries up". It was noticed that there is this problem in miniatures. First they thought that only in blacks, but now it was found in all colors.

What do you mean by the toes "dry up"? I have never heard of this! Is this the regular toes or the dewclaws?

Here we remove the dewclaws, and if the job is not done properly, they can "grow back", but usually they are abnormal when they grow back.

Question: When a dog is being shown in a country that does not allow for "removal of body parts" (ears/tail/dewclaws), does the judge check to be sure that the dog has its dewclaws?

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Post  ravenstot on Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:27 pm

I mean regular toes. I have never seen it, and my english is quite poor to explain it well, but I can try. As I understand it, about age of changing teeth a toe stops growing, getting shorter and smaller and kind of raising up. So, dog has only 3 or 2 normal toes.
In 1990 there were this anomalia in blacks and dogs out of blacks. Last years were officially reported also one white and one b/s case. First breeding comitee was not sure, if it is a problem, but later from these parents were born puppy that had immidiately less than 4 toes, so, it was decided not to allow breeding for this dogs.
One person here made some research about this problem, and found out that this anomalia also exists in many other breeds. I do not remember all details, but dobermans were there for sure.
After club started pay attention to this, there not may cases met anymore.

Even in Finland not allowed docking- croping, we can remove dewclaws in age under 3 days old. Judges do not check if dog has them.
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Post  mzyan on Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:48 pm

Jo wrote:I'm just wondering what health tests breeders do in the different countries on their adults before breeding. Do you also do any health tests on the puppies before they leave for new homes?

The health test isn't obligatory in Hungary. No Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad The Hungarian breeders not always make health test. Isn't Hungarian organism what accept the Hungarian Kennel Club. Crying or Very sad If you want make test, you may make test in your veterinarian, and one organism... The kennel club doesn't make public this health test. No And some breeders mean important this test, and some breeders don't mean.... Crying or Very sad
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Health Testing in Canada

Post  Leah~N~Vader on Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:18 am

In Canada it is only through strong suggestions and breed clubs. Kennels that are reputable breeders will do health testing BEFORE breeding. We usually breed after 2 yrs old as this is when hips are xrayed and checked. This can only be done in North America after the age of 2 . We get hips xray'd, thryoid tested and elbow tested. Also eyes checked via cerf. The results are then made public on offa website. The ratings for hips are EXCELLENT - GOOD - FAIR - PASS - BORDERLINE - MILD - MODERATE - SEVERE it is more then just clearing of hips it is a complex grading system.

HOw are the hips done in Giants in Hungary, Russia, and Poland? Is there a reporting organization and what are the grades issues what do they mean? If you wanted to check on a stud dog is there a website to look through?
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Post  RaggaGisla on Fri May 08, 2009 3:07 pm

What test are required for Standard Schnauzer and Giant Schnauzer in your countries before breeding?
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Post  MsBritmor on Fri May 08, 2009 6:03 pm

Nothing is "required" here, but I believe that most do hips and eye checks.

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Post  Jo on Fri May 08, 2009 7:43 pm

It is recommended to do eyes and hips on Giants.

I don't think most breeders here do any special health checks on the standard.
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Re: Health Testing

Post  riesenspass on Fri May 08, 2009 10:54 pm

For the Giants in Sweden it is necessary to check for HD before breeding and only A or B is ok for breeding. We also need a need a mentaltest.
The club also recommends to check ED, eyes and thyroid.

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