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Post  sjannella on Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:52 pm

jacomo's brother has curly tail and smaller ears Surprised
his picture is on the forum Surprised
dit you change puppy's
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Post  D'el casa di Vita on Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:01 pm

Oke,but i have never seen that a puppy with great,big ears get some weeks later terrier ears... Surprised
And white marks go away when a puppy get older not get more white....??
I don't know what is happend,but for me it don't look as the same puppy.... Sad
On your photo have the puppy ver nice head,ears and eyes,and on the pics from Sjannella i see a puppy with a rond eyes and terrier ears.
I have never seen this before.....but is a same that there is now a misunderstanding about a sweet little puppy Sad
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Post  sjannella on Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:17 pm

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Post  snasapjasa on Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:27 pm

This has happened to a friend of mine when she bought a puppy from Russia, the males where exchanged:(
I dont know about this puppy but im so sad for you...i know you have been looking for so long for a perfect male.
But dont give up, you will get your male:)))
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Post  Jo on Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:37 pm

photos taken from the litter thread
male "2





other male - Jacomo?

50 days old


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Post  sjannella on Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:39 pm

please help Crying or Very sad
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Post  MARANT on Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:07 pm

Pachino wrote:you would not buy this puppy just because of "the bad" tail?

Yes, I would never buy such a puppy only because of it's tail. If I want a puppy for show and bred here.
If I want a pet - no problem, I would buy it.
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Post  MARANT on Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:09 pm

sjannella,

It is very bad und unpleased situation! Surprised

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Post  Rianne on Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:36 pm

Sjannella, I 'm sorry to hear about this!!! I know how much you wanted a new beautiful showstar Sad
I think also that you don't have the real Jacomo from the photos!!! A real shame Evil or Very Mad
The ears are just perfect for Fox Terriers but for schnauzers..... and what is about his eyes?? I never seen such weird eyes Surprised
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Post  Olga on Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:30 pm

I would also say that by the pictures of Jacomo posted by Sjannella, he looks more like a MALE 2, when she paid money for the MALE 1. Unfortunately, I also had bad experience of such kind, buying a puppy only by photos...
I really hope that the breeder Pachino will give solution to this situation. The story with the female, in my opinion, is absolutely unforgivable - you can´t sell a puppy without mentioning the hernia and an accident with the tail... as the buyer can´t check it by himself before paying money.
Zeljko, these people trusted you!
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Post  sjannella on Tue Dec 07, 2010 8:31 pm

ja rianne
vertrouw niemand ,hij heeft de centen ,en ik de rotzooi.
ik ga zeker door ,ik laat het er niet bij zitten .
groetjes sjannella Sad
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Post  MsBritmor on Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:27 pm

Chest spotting is not visible on these photos. Both puppies have low-set ears, but when I lighten the photos enough to really see the puppies, the one labeled puppy #2 has slightly better (higher) ears. When he alerts, they will probably come up a bit higher. There is, however, one major difference between the two puppies that will not change. Puppy #2 has parallel head planes, while the other one does not. If the question is which photo is the actual puppy, that alone should determine which one he is.

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Post  sjannella on Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:11 pm

now i have pictures of te sister of jacomo.
it is horreble ,and i wil ask every an ,do you acsept this dog ?
is this a shw dog??

this is jasmine sold as showdog sister of jacomo

is this tail oke
i dont think soo Evil or Very Mad

this female cant never be showed Evil or Very Mad


now people
is this a show dog
sold as very good show kwaliti??
Evil or Very Mad
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Post  MARANT on Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:42 pm

silent
Show quality???

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Post  sjannella on Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:46 pm

yes
what can i do .
pachino sold this dog as show dog ??
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Post  MARANT on Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:52 pm

sjannella wrote:yes
what can i do .
pachino sold this dog as show dog ??

I don't know... I would make retour of this puppy and all money back.
It is impossible to say, that such a puppy is "show and breed quality" dog! Evil or Very Mad This is a pet-class puppy with some visible defects - without doubt!


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Post  des matins de cristal on Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:55 pm

+1 with Maria
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Post  Amistar's on Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:57 pm

poor little baby..
but you are right, if you "ordered" a showdog, this is really not a showdog....

maybe in Serbia they cropped the dogs and think that we do it also?
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Post  sjannella on Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:00 pm

i have big shit from servie Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
male and female
no show dogs nothing
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Post  MsBritmor on Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:10 pm

The ears need to be taped or glued into place. Not all ears are going to stay down by themselves without some help... particularly as they enter teething. Of my two puppies this year, I had to glue one set of ears (on the male), while the bitch puppy was okay with her ears.

You Europeans sell, and buy, your puppies way too young.... particularly those that you think/hope might be show-quality. Pet-quality should be sold first, and the ones with more potential should be grown out for a while longer before placing. Puppies change a LOT as they grow, and some go through really ugly stages before they mature. One can tell a lot by photos sometimes... but not always. It is always best to get one's hands on a dog and really go over it first, if one can... or have a knowledgeable person do it for you.

I have seen a lot of puppy photos on this and other forums (and on Facebook), and a lot of people rave about some puppies that I think are totally pet-quality. All dogs have faults. One needs to communicate to the breeder about what he/she will accept/tolerate in a show-potential dog... and all breeders need to be honest as to the puppies' faults and qualities. I believe that dogs offered for sale as "show-potential" or "show-quality" should be just that, and the breeder should stand behind that. If the puppy should develop into a dog that is more pet-quality than show-quality for some reason (size, bite, testicles, whatever), the breeder should be willing to replace that puppy with a better one... or what I like to do... sell the replacement dog at a pet-quality price and let the buyer keep the first puppy that was purchased at a show-quality price (unless he would rather do a simple exchange).

If one buys a puppy before teething, it is HIS responsibility to do things like work with those ears. If it had been a puppy that you yourself bred, wouldn't you do the same thing?

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Post  Olga on Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:13 pm

Pachino,
I wonder why didn´t you keep so ¨nice¨ female for you? Definetely it would be a sensation in Serbian rings! But, please, don´t start talking about proportions or her wonderful coat... It's a pet dog, and should never be used in breeding, not to produce more ¨beauty¨.
And you were OBLIGATED to tell to the buyers that the tail was broken as far as in Netherland they can´t even dock it.

pale pale pale I´m very-very sorry for you and for your friends, Sjannella.
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Post  sjannella on Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:17 pm

the ears are now taped .
but the tail is horreble ,whe cant show this dog .
it was nice pet dog ,but pachino the breeder sold this female as show dog Evil or Very Mad
jacomo is for sale .
maybee he like too have this show dog ????
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Post  MARANT on Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:19 pm

or what I like to do... sell the replacement dog at a pet-quality price and let the buyer keep the first puppy that was purchased at a show-quality price (unless he would rather do a simple exchange).

This is a very correct practice and I also do so if there is a situation Smile

If one buys a puppy before teething, it is HIS responsibility to do things like work with those ears. If it had been a puppy that you yourself bred, wouldn't you do the same thing?


I think, that by this puppy ears are not the biggest problem, but her tail and hernia.

Of course, I can glue ears. But I can not "fix" a broken tail and remove the hernia without medical operation Surprised
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Post  sjannella on Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:25 pm

I want my love story with photos in the magazine served that makes you world wide.
I want to warn everyone to breeding Pachino from Serbia.
nobody would ever buy a dog from him.
sjannella Sad

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Post  MARANT on Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:28 pm

sjannella,

What says breeder to you?

Want he take his puppies back or not?

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