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Post  des matins de cristal on Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:43 pm

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Post  Grovelea on Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:00 pm

I think orange looks a very nice puppy from the photo Very Happy
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Post  des matins de cristal on Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:51 pm

Grovelea wrote:I think orange looks a very nice puppy from the photo Very Happy


Thanks a lot for your opinion ! i hope other people of this forum give me their opinion too !
After i tell you which i prefer but it's different because i see them all time so i am not impartial ! Cool
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Post  Gast on Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:38 pm

I would prefer the yellow one, but orange is also nice Cool

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Post  Ilovemydog on Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:10 pm

I like the orange one too, she has a good looking topline and I like her tail, both the tailset and also the way it is held. I think she is a winner. But I must admit, the pink one to me is also exciting. She also has a good topline and tail, less white in her beard (appearing so on the photo's) and her size is something to be considered too. The tendency for mini's to get too big is a problem, so to balance that out in my opinion is to also consider the smaller dogs seriously. But undoubtedly we have to look at the whole package, not just certain points.

I am not an experienced breeder though, just to make that clear. My opinion is based on my limited experience and even though I do not class myself as being a "newborn" to the breed, I think I am only a "toddler" so far in experience. I would love to see what more experienced breeders have to say and their opinions too Rolling Eyes

Lovely puppies by the way Smile
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Post  snasapjasa on Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:32 pm

I will try out this game:)
I like the yellow:)
Looks like she could have short and compact body:)
Good luck to you..
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Post  D'el casa di Vita on Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:49 pm

So from the pics I will choose the orange one.
The yellow one stands a little bit diagonal,so you can't look at the front/chest.
The only male has a very nice chest.
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Post  des matins de cristal on Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:28 pm

Oh dear friends, i am very happy to have your opinion ! Very Happy Very Happy
Thanks a lot to Grovelea, Little Lilly, Ilovemydog, Snasapjasa and Marian !
For me before see them in their life: playing, fighting and all, the best was pink and yellow after i think about red and at few days old orange look longer ...
when they began to move i decided pink will stay here few monthes, i think not for show because her small size but only for breeder ! so i look the other femalles. For me the 2 betters are orange and yellow, yellow a little smallest but orange will be on the good size : 20 cms at 7 weeks.
Many hugs to all of you for your help !
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Post  Jo on Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:09 pm

orange has a showy profile but I like the cobbyness of red.

Is the white in the beards getting less? That would be a worry for me for future breeding plans.
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Post  des matins de cristal on Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:08 pm

Thanks Jo for your opinion too, i don"t understand "cobbyness" ??

For white in bears, a lot of my dog have it without problems. My male Urban, multi ch, more 80 shows on 5 country no judge said something about it. a lot of breeder say than white on bear and a little line beetwen the 2 front legs is a sign of excellent texture of the hair !
The white on bear it's very visible when they are young but with age it's no so visible !
have you answer at your question ? my english it's no good ...
In your country, white bear give some problems ?

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Post  Jo on Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:52 pm

des matins de cristal wrote:Thanks Jo for your opinion too, i don"t understand "cobbyness" ??

Cobbyness - a dogs body is short, compact, good spring of rib, the opposite to a dog who is leggy, lean, long etc.


For white in bears, a lot of my dog have it without problems. My male Urban, multi ch, more 80 shows on 5 country no judge said something about it. a lot of breeder say than white on bear and a little line beetwen the 2 front legs is a sign of excellent texture of the hair !
The white on bear it's very visible when they are young but with age it's no so visible !
have you answer at your question ? my english it's no good ...
In your country, white bear give some problems ?

nathy

White in the beard would be the same as white feet or white on any other part of the body (except for a small spot on the chest) is classed as a fault. Being a colour fault it is easy for a judge to notice and mark down for. It would take an otherwise very exceptional dog over here to do any winning if it had a white part in the beard.

I am surprised it isn't classed as a fault in France. Shocked
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Post  beatrice on Sun Jul 12, 2009 10:37 am

... orange female ... very nice body, good coat, good head ...

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Post  des matins de cristal on Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:24 pm

Thanks for your opinion Beatrice !


Ok Jo i understand "cobbyness" now Very Happy

This my male, Urban when he was puppy :


and now adult :


So you think i cannot go to your country with this dog ?

It's very interesting to know the difference beetwen differents countries !! Smile

The president of the breed kennel said about one of my dog "coat too hard" ???? judges say some thinks like it on your country ?
thanks for your help !
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My second litter, with only one male ... by ceasarian ..

Post  des matins de cristal on Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:29 pm

after a lot of very hard work from me to for made him ok, this is the "rescue" as the vetenuary called him ..
4 weeks on the photo :

some one said that often when only one puppy, it will be excellent ... i am not sure, and what your opinion ?
thanks a lot for your opinion and help of cause ...
great forum ...
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Post  D'el casa di Vita on Wed Jul 15, 2009 10:56 pm

Yes that is what people told me also,1 puppy is often a best dog....???
My Dyma was also a one puppy litter.
Your male puppy is now 4 weeks and stand also not on his best,but try to stand him every dag,and I can't wait to see his pics on 7/8 weeks Very Happy
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Post  Jo on Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:11 pm

des matins de cristal wrote:Thanks for your opinion Beatrice !


Ok Jo i understand "cobbyness" now Very Happy

This my male, Urban when he was puppy :


and now adult :


So you think i cannot go to your country with this dog ?

It's very interesting to know the difference beetwen differents countries !! Smile

The president of the breed kennel said about one of my dog "coat too hard" ???? judges say some thinks like it on your country ?
thanks for your help !

You could show a pink schnauzer in the UK if you so desired, so long as that pink is the natural colour of the dog!

Looks like you dog has lost the white in the beard (though it looks a bit grey still but maybe that is the lighting), however, personally I would not want to use a dog in my breeding program that has white mismarks when born. We all have our small things about a dog that we don't want in our lines.

Yes, we have some dumb judges also. I had one this year tell me my dog was to old to win (got a shock when I said the week before she'd got the RCC at Crufts and at the previous champ show she'd been shown at!)
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Post  des matins de cristal on Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:11 am

You could show a pink schnauzer in the UK if you so desired, so long as that pink is the natural colour of the dog!

Looks like you dog has lost the white in the beard (though it looks a bit grey still but maybe that is the lighting), however, personally I would not want to use a dog in my breeding program that has white mismarks when born. We all have our small things about a dog that we don't want in our lines.

Yes, we have some dumb judges also. I had one this year tell me my dog was to old to win (got a shock when I said the week before she'd got the RCC at Crufts and at the previous champ show she'd been shown at!)


Ok Jo, i am ok with you of cause, i think all kennel want to supprime some think and to made appear some other ! to produce our perfect schnauzer ! in france white beard it's not a problem as it stay a little and disepear when dog is adult.

And about judges i will never say one more about them and their judgements !! Cool Cool
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Post  des matins de cristal on Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:14 am

D'el casa di Vita wrote:Yes that is what people told me also,1 puppy is often a best dog....???
My Dyma was also a one puppy litter.
Your male puppy is now 4 weeks and stand also not on his best,but try to stand him every dag,and I can't wait to see his pics on 7/8 weeks Very Happy

Thanks Marian but i am not the best for show my adults ! so pupys ... it's so difficult !!!
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Post  des matins de cristal on Sat Jul 25, 2009 10:21 am

is it better ?

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Post  Jo on Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:22 am

Better! Puppy looks very nice type. Smile
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Post  des matins de cristal on Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:24 pm

Jo wrote:Better! Puppy looks very nice type. Smile

Thanks Jo ! it's so difficult with young puppy ...
He has no white on his bear ... Very Happy Very Happy
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Post  D'el casa di Vita on Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:30 pm

Is that,only one, male puppy???
He looks very nice Smile
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Post  MsBritmor on Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:42 pm

des matins de cristal wrote:
The president of the breed kennel said about one of my dog "coat too hard" ????

Oh, I would LOVE to see a coat that was "too hard"! President of the breed kennel (club?), eh? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

(Oops! I think I may have had a couple coats like that....<G>)


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Post  Jo on Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:46 pm

des matins de cristal wrote:
Jo wrote:Better! Puppy looks very nice type. Smile

Thanks Jo ! it's so difficult with young puppy ...
He has no white on his bear ... Very Happy Very Happy

Very Happy even better Smile
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Post  des matins de cristal on Sat Jul 25, 2009 8:57 pm

D'el casa di Vita wrote:Is that,only one, male puppy???
He looks very nice Smile

yes Marian, it's my "rescue" the only male of my second litter ! Very Happy
he is not reserved at now ! Sad i hope may be at the end of holidays ...
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